I-Tunes Visualization=G-force?

Leukoplast · Post by **Leukoplast** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:13 pm

I just downloaded the I-Tunes today so I could listen to the Electronica radio, and I noticed they had a visualization option, so I click it...to my suprise it looks a lot like G-Force. Has G-Force signed with I-tunes? or is it a rip off? Case they look very similar, but I think G-Force is better.

Anybody else notice this?

kingstar · Post by **kingstar** » Wed May 04, 2005 8:28 pm

I'm not 100% positive, but I remember reading that is a dumbed down version of G-force.

willrob · Post by **willrob** » Thu May 05, 2005 12:16 pm

G-Force can be used in iTunes. The built in vizualizer in iTunes is a very early version (by the same author)of iTunes—at least that's what I have read. But if you load G-Force into the iTunes plug-ins folder and select is as your vizualizer, you'll be a happy camper.

Leukoplast · Post by **Leukoplast** » Fri May 06, 2005 7:13 am

Yah, I was going through the I-Tunes add-ons and G-Force is in there.

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Wed May 11, 2005 2:23 pm

Looks like it is. This is in the about thing:

Also, this link proves it. G-force was licenced to Apple for iTunes, and to Microsoft for Windows Media Center. That is pretty cool, and it mostly goes unnoticed. Cudos to Andy and the gang for nailing those gigs. In addition to that, I was at one of the Michael W. Smith concerts and saw it there. I swore that that was G-Force, and now I feal all good that I was right

Now if the Xbox360, PSP, and iPod would all grab hold of this, I could enjoy GF on all my devices!!!

markofkane · Post by **markofkane** » Wed May 11, 2005 6:35 pm

I wonder why I-tunes only comes with one viz? WMP comes with quite a few.

I still like the windows ones, also. They are simple, like the graph, and fountain, etc.

It is nothing like G-Force, although I loved "pixel trip" (I have it) before I discovered G-force.

Only thing that bugs me about G-Force: It is slow starting up.

You can show your credits through the beginning of the viz, you know?

Rovastar · Post by **Rovastar** » Thu May 12, 2005 9:32 am

Yeah a few years ago now (was 3 years?) Apple licensed Gforce for use in their Itunes player. A nice gig but I doubt Andy got anywhere near the true worth for this. There was a worldwide advertising campaign for the new iMac at the time with Gforce/iTunes visualizer and the main content. I saw a few different adverts in the UK. Producing just the content for a worldwide ad campaign you are looking at over $50,000 for each advert.

Someone got a good deal out of it and I bet it wasn't Andy.

But they are better than Microsoft though they are a pain to work with nearly got the gig for doing visualization for the new Xbox 2 (360). There are so many hoops to jump through it didn't happen in the end.

Wolf · Post by **Wolf** » Thu May 12, 2005 10:06 am

Dude Rovastar, you had a chance to do the vis on the Xbox2? Dang, Milkdrop would have rocked on it. Too bad, they will probably put the same boaring one that the current Xbox uses..

Orbstah · Post by **Orbstah** » Thu May 12, 2005 11:17 pm

if were delving into this then a small thing that happened at christmas time was andy promising us a nice christmassy version of whitecap, but everybody who uses windows media player and downloaded the christmas pack managed to get there hands on the christmas whitecap ages before the people who visit the sound spectrum site did, still i suppose there was a finacial profit in doing this and thats good for me and good for everybody else too

Rovastar · Post by **Rovastar** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:17 am

Wolf wrote:Dude Rovastar, you had a chance to do the vis on the Xbox2? Dang, Milkdrop would have rocked on it. Too bad, they will probably put the same boaring one that the current Xbox uses..

Actually it would have been something new. MOre an updated R4 and Milkdrop hybird.

Anyway it appears that Jeff Minter had the gig after us.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/music ... usicplayer

BobTheDog · Post by **BobTheDog** » Tue May 17, 2005 12:30 pm

Wolf wrote:Dude Rovastar, you had a chance to do the vis on the Xbox2? Dang, Milkdrop would have rocked on it. Too bad, they will probably put the same boaring one that the current Xbox uses..

Technically, the visualizer for the current XBox isn't a true visualizer. It doesn't run off of the actual sound of the music file (you can see this by listening to a soft piece of music. It looks just like a loud piece of music makes it look). Kinda odd, eh?

DeanLewis · Post by **DeanLewis** » Tue May 17, 2005 11:23 pm

Someone else can probably verify or not verify this, but from what I understand the Apple version of the G-Force engine is now maintained by Apple. There version in iTunes already uses the 3D graphics drivers, while G-Force's 3D version is still in development. On my Mac, I get much better framerates with the built-in visualizer than with G-Force. I'm no programmer, so I suspect there are a lot more factors at work for the difference, but I think the 3D ability is one?

Of course, despite the framerates, I just size G-Force down a bit and enjoy the variety it offers. I don't remember the last time I fired up the built-in visualizer.

Looking forward to what version 3 brings. Maybe by then I'll have my Power Mac G5 and can really drive it better.

willrob · Post by **willrob** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:02 am

It's been a while since I used the iTunes viz, prefering G-Force — as most of you do. Just to see the smoother frame rates mentioned above I switched to it. Out of habit I hit the G-Force config keys. They work! But are mapped differently.

And the Verbose mode doesn't need to be turned on: just hitting the mode change keys will cause all three configs to appear in the upper right corner of the window

I suppose if I had ever read the iTunes help files I might have know this already.

Rovastar · Post by **Rovastar** » Thu May 19, 2005 6:42 am

DeanLewis wrote:Someone else can probably verify or not verify this, but from what I understand the Apple version of the G-Force engine is now maintained by Apple. There version in iTunes already uses the 3D graphics drivers, while G-Force's 3D version is still in development. On my Mac, I get much better framerates with the built-in visualizer than with G-Force. I'm no programmer, so I suspect there are a lot more factors at work for the difference, but I think the 3D ability is one?

Have Apple at 3D stuff to their version of GF? I doubt it tbh. That would be a complete re-write of the code. It would have been easier to make somehing new and besides is a 3D a requirement to run ITunes. How long has taht been the case?

Remember that the effects in the iTunes version of GF are 3-4 years old now. NOw we have more advanced and complex flowfield, etc and they do run slower. IF you have the same configs as true GF and the iTunes version I suspect they would be the same.

willrob · Post by **willrob** » Thu May 19, 2005 12:13 pm

I assume thre's no way to add new flow fields, etc to the Apple vizualizer.

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